The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. There are innocent people in prison. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Lie detectors are pseudo science. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. Create a free website or blog at . Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Just one example. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. How would an intruder find it? How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). Lehigh Valley: Patricia Rorrer Still A Convenient Suspect? From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. The case rocked Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley and resulted in. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. Lehigh Cty.) Its totally irrelevant. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Im more sure of Routiers guilt. Walmart woe. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence.. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. . Your email address will not be published. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. She was convicted nearly 25 years ago of kidnapping and murdering Joann and Alex Katrinak, the wife and infant son of Rorrer's ex-boyfriend Andrew Katrinak. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. I dont think so. She had money put aside. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Very similar. Startling new allegations surround one of Lehigh County's most notorious murder cases. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Miami Herald Article on Bobby Kent's Murder - Forensic Files Now DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Then you claim this is an opinion. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. They broke up in 1993. Deal refused. Thats all for this post. Why? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. (Nope. Rorrer has appealed her conviction several times and her supporters believe additional DNA. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! 18+ When 21-year old Jessie Morrison is brutally beaten to death, police zero in on Vonda Smith. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Had there been a switch? I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. None. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. I very much doubt you are. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Since then our team has proven that Patricia is innocent. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. I do. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Prosecutor pounds away. Pal stays true. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Several instances of malpractice, along with revelations have emerged since her incarceration namely, failing to forensically examine significant items of evidence items which would have seriously compromised their case had they been examined and failing to advise Rorrers Defence of witnesses who were prepared to testify on her behalf. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. Dance defense. Mr Steve J Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. 51min. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Please read her story. Im aware of Rorrers various appeals, but also aware that the bases for those appeals is to some degree unknown to observers, who rely on third-party reporting which may distort. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club.
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